Ian Ziskin joined Rebel HR Podcast! Host Kyle Roed to discuss the book, The Secret Sauce for Leading Transformational Change, for which Ian is lead author.

In the podcast, Ian and Kyle talk about how there are different levels or layers of transformational change: the individual level, team level, organizational level, and societal level. They also discuss how human beings have an almost limitless capacity to deny and deflect data or facts that do not reinforce their preferred view, and how this impacts change. And, of course, they also discuss why pizza is such a great analogy for transformational change!

The Rebel HR Podcast! is about what HR can be. It explores the new world of work and how HR can drive change for the better. Its primary focus is on people, with topics ranging from managing performance, building culture, engagement, inclusion, people analytics, and driving business results through others.